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Gary Grigsby's War In The East 2 WITE2
« on: January 07, 2016, 02:40:56 PM »
Gary Grigsby's War In The East 2 WITE2


Joel Billings
06/01/16

We are currently working on WitE2, which uses the War in the West map (expanded to cover to east of the Urals). This game will use all the new features in WitW (new logistics, new air system, etc.). It will have many other elements that are different from WitE1, although the fundamental ground game will be similar to WitW. We are building the database to include everything that was in WitW and WitE. This will give us the potential of creating a future game that would cover all of Europe from 1943-45. Using the map to create other scenarios from earlier in the war would also be possible (I expect modders will eventually be able to do this if they want to, although adding new armies is a lot of work). It is even possible that eventually a 41-45 WiE would be doable, but that would be a lot of work. Going back to 1940 or 1939 as the start of a full WiE is probably more than we'll ever do, although one should never say never. We are doing this while also working on a new tactical game inspired by Gary's old Steel Panthers series, something we are working on jointly with the Matrix development group. We hope that one or both of these games will come out in 2017, although this part of the post will self-destruct within 30 days and I will deny ever saying it.

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Re: Gary Grigsby's War In The East 2 WITE2
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2017, 06:58:38 PM »
Joel Billings
21/06/17


It starts from the WitW engine so it has expanded air and logistics rules. It uses the War in Europe map that was in WitW (but with further work done in the eastern areas to improve it further). The OB started from WitE's OB but with further research and improvements. Basically all data areas are constantly being improved. From this starting point there are may additional changes including big ones like the event system and theater boxes and smaller ones like double and single rail lines on the map. If you have played WitE you will recognize about 50% of the game, and if you've played WitW, you'll recognize another 25% of the game (give or take). Having played both you'll be able to jump in quickly and start playing, but you'll find lots of subtle and not so subtle changes that will impact your strategies. In theory, by using the WiE map, we have the potential for someday having scenarios that include both east and west, although as has been mentioned before, anything before 1943 would require more involved naval rules or treating the Western Front as a Theater Box until 1943.

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Re: Gary Grigsby's War In The East 2 WITE2
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2018, 05:34:39 PM »
Update on progress

Joel Billings
16/07/18


"WitE stated develeopment in 2000, was stopped and started several times (got distracted by War in the Pacific and a few other games during that time) and only got back to full time development in 2008. It released in December 2010. WitW started at that time and was released in December 2014. WitE2 started at that time, but we're also working on a remake of Gary's old Steel Panthers series. We're a small dev group and these games take a long time to develop. The testing time alone is enormous (testing for both bugs and game balance). We are still in alpha testing as there are a few major pieces of the game that still need to be completed before we can start beta testing. All we can say is that we are working on WitE2 and until it's in true beta testing we're still quite a ways out from release. "

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Re: Gary Grigsby's War In The East 2 WITE2
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2018, 07:57:47 PM »
Hmmm, i didn't get confortable with these arguments.

I own WiTE and WiTW and are both great games.

However, what i felt about this statement is that their are not going to introduce a significant change in the game besides a larger map.

It would really be cool if you could have the possibility to micromanage somethings (if you wanted to) like the focus of production of your country.

For example. You are the general commander of your forces, you noticed that you are going to launch a massive panzer operation in a couple of months, it would be reasonable to tell the politicians to focus the production lines to more panzers than field guns for example, that way, you would have much more equipment in your storages.
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Re: Gary Grigsby's War In The East 2 WITE2
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2018, 09:22:04 PM »
Hmmm, i didn't get confortable with these arguments.

I own WiTE and WiTW and are both great games.

However, what i felt about this statement is that their are not going to introduce a significant change in the game besides a larger map.

It would really be cool if you could have the possibility to micromanage somethings (if you wanted to) like the focus of production of your country.

For example. You are the general commander of your forces, you noticed that you are going to launch a massive panzer operation in a couple of months, it would be reasonable to tell the politicians to focus the production lines to more panzers than field guns for example, that way, you would have much more equipment in your storages.


This isnt the initial intention about WITE 2. I read, that the Devs basically wanted to add the improvements of WITW to the eastern front game.

I hope, that I misunderstood a posting, that they plan to only convert data, so that the earliest start of the German-Russio-War will be in 1943, like it is in WITW. ... Or at least that this info is outdated.

I dont really miss production management, cos this feature is intentionally recessed by the Devs anyway. You are only to be in charge of the pure operational tasks in this game.
Nevertheless IMO the perfect wargame was a symbiosis of the WITW, Hearts of Iron, Command Ops and Combat Mission series or Graviteam products like Operation Star. So unit production would be included.

But what IŽd like to be changed is the strict withdrawal schedulings. It simply doesnt make sense, that mostly intact and highly skilled formations are getting dissolved, just because it is considered as historically accurate, cos a certain unit had been hit hardly in reality. Better to let the player select the units for dissolving or withdrawal from defined contingents by the highcommand.

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Re: Gary Grigsby's War In The East 2 WITE2
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2018, 12:16:33 PM »
They are basically adding the new parts from WITW to WITE2. This should eventually allow them to unleash the monster that is WITE" + WITW in one game  :notworthy

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Re: Gary Grigsby's War In The East 2 WITE2
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2018, 12:20:31 AM »
Event System.

from the devs:

"This is probably the biggest change in WitE2 from the earlier games of this lineage. For a scenario designer like me it adds the ability to introduce unparalleled flexibility and variation to the game whilst also giving the ability to keep a scenario on track.

The system allows a range of actions to be set ( e.g. units unfreezing, multipliers changing) to occurrences in the games (locations captured, time reached). An example is D-Day triggering increased combat intensity in the Western Theatre Box which will encourage the Axis player to send units West. The system allows a probability to be set too so occurrence is not scripted to a given turn.

As the recent discussion has focused on Finland the screenshot shows the events related to the Finland Campaign from the editor and shows how the ability to have the Finns participate on the map has not been lost. "


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Re: Gary Grigsby's War In The East 2 WITE2
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2018, 08:57:16 AM »
What I missed in WitE was an accurate siege modus. I mean, there should be the opportunity to propperly only bombard fortified urban territories by large heavy arty contingents to soften the defence and hitting a certain amount of different structures without storming the objective with line formations yet.
Anybody heard about such a feature in WitE#2?

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Re: Gary Grigsby's War In The East 2 WITE2
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2019, 04:49:15 PM »
The Commmander's Report has just had a big overhaul.

Work in progress

Pavel (Helpless) has starred again by creating an improved system where the CR is now a sorted table which is modular and consists of 5 sections.

1. Functions.
2. Filters.
3. Column header.
4. Table.
5. Footer.

The really good thing as I understand it is that you can configure the tables as you want to present the data you need and this is saved in your preferences. As in old CR, table entries can be linked to some function (eg. go to the map and select air group) or quick filter selection (select all FB in type filter).
It is also possible to colour code particular entries.


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Re: Gary Grigsby's War In The East 2 WITE2
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2019, 08:39:30 PM »
all i know is it looks and plays much better than WITE does, feels much different than WITW does and on one campaign im on atm, it takes epic to another level :winner

under a NDA so can't say much if anything at all lol  :howdy

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Re: Gary Grigsby's War In The East 2 WITE2
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2019, 12:10:23 AM »
Thanks for the input Zak  :thumbsup

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