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Re: Steel Beasts Dynamic Terrain Will Come After New Terrain Engine
« Reply #390 on: June 22, 2019, 12:55:51 AM »
So we have to pay for getting the FPS bug fixed.  :punishment
Yes, for a complete fix anyway, given that frame rates were partially restored by 4.019. :(
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Re: Steel Beasts Dynamic Terrain Will Come After New Terrain Engine
« Reply #391 on: June 22, 2019, 07:31:57 AM »
Like John Gecko would say greed is GOOD :)

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Re: Steel Beasts Dynamic Terrain Will Come After New Terrain Engine
« Reply #392 on: June 26, 2019, 04:32:41 PM »
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Re: Steel Beasts Dynamic Terrain Will Come After New Terrain Engine
« Reply #393 on: June 26, 2019, 09:23:23 PM »
https://www.steelbeasts.com/topic/12776-sb-pro-pe-41-new-features-and-stuff/page/14/?tab=comments#comment-191316
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I'm also interested to see if craters created at the start of a scenario (via IED, etc.) would eventually be covered by the falling snow at some point in a scenario?
I'm sorry if I created the impression that snow would build up in a Steel Beasts scenario now. It doesn't. I spliced scenes from different scenarios into one video, to illustrate that with deeper snow the surface loses more and more detail.

Beyond that, I haven't tested this idea. I'm not sure if a scenario saved in progress that has craters in it will actually preserve those craters (yet). That's certainly where we want to go eventually, but it's all so new that I haven't figured out all the details myself, yet. But if the craters were preserved, then Yes, with deep snow they would lose the visible contours (they would however remain unchanged as far as the actual terrain profile is concerned, snow is but a cover blanket on top of everything).
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Re: Steel Beasts Dynamic Terrain Will Come After New Terrain Engine
« Reply #394 on: June 26, 2019, 11:20:29 PM »
https://www.steelbeasts.com/topic/12776-sb-pro-pe-41-new-features-and-stuff/page/14/?tab=comments#comment-191327
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Beyond that, I haven't tested this idea. I'm not sure if a scenario saved in progress that has craters in it will actually preserve those craters (yet).
Now I have tested it.
  • Save in progress doesn't retain craters (yet), as suspected. That'll have to wait until a future version
  • In deep snow, craters are formed visibly (=from the top of the snow surface)
So, for the moment there won't be "surprise craters" hidden under a deceptively serene surface.

https://forum.steelbeasts.org/forum/thread/8643-version-4-1xx/?postID=59247#post59247
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Fire strike MARS-Btl ... yes, no, it's clear. On the officer's course one was glad, if there were two groups of throwers to two vehicles each. And then you knew that the crap was steaming. And nowadays two PzH 2000s are sent to MES to ensure fire superiority throughout the operation.

But nice that our solution scales well as planned. 644 rockets per rocket, x 12 rockets, x 190 fragments per bomblet, x 24 launcher = 35.24 million chips in real time ... there may be a bit of jerking.
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Re: Steel Beasts Dynamic Terrain Will Come After New Terrain Engine
« Reply #395 on: June 28, 2019, 05:14:13 AM »
Steel Beasts 4.1 preorders have begun: https://www.esimgames.com/?page_id=1530
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Re: Steel Beasts Dynamic Terrain Will Come After New Terrain Engine
« Reply #396 on: June 28, 2019, 04:23:59 PM »
Lemme see...
In February 2015 I bought my SB Pro PE 3.0 license, printed manual and codemeter stick for USD137.90.
Then in 2017, I bought the upgrade license SB Pro PE 4.0 for my CodeMeter stick for USD40.00.
Now in 2019, for me to enjoy SB Pro PE 4.10, a one-time upgrade License for my version 4.0 will cost me another USD25.00.
All in all it will have cost me USD202.00 for 4 years of ownership, of course with incrementally more features.

Just saying.

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Re: Steel Beasts Dynamic Terrain Will Come After New Terrain Engine
« Reply #397 on: June 28, 2019, 05:06:08 PM »
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4480409/re-news-about-version-4-1#Post4480409
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So the big reveal is over? Could you post release notes so we know what we are buying? Or confirm what the new playables are? Or are the available amount of NEW playables going to be dependent on pre-orders?
One or two more videos will be made and uploaded to YouTube, possibly also the one or other preparatory tutorial.
The only thing that depends on the preorders is the production batch size for the physical items - printed manuals, the installation USB stick, the preorder surprise item.

We will quit the preorder phase as soon as there is a noticeable reduction in new orders, suggesting that we have collected the peak demand, and have enough know-how to set the production lot size. So, please make your decision soon if you want any of the physical items. We will of course create more manuals and USB sticks than to barely satisfy the preorder demand, so you can always order both the installation stick and/or the user manual at a later point. But prices will go up.


The release notes will be prepared in the coming days, and be made available before the actual release day. But I can't promise that the preorder phase will last that long.

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4480411/re-news-about-version-4-1#Post4480411
Frankie, I think you will be interested in what Ssnake has to say about upgrade fees.
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Hey Ssnake, I suppose the preorder bundle upgrade will only upgrade from 4.0 to 4.1, right?

To be more clear, I'm currently with a 2.5 codemeter license and was going to get back to the game in 4.0 (life didn't let me play in the last 8 years lol), but waited for 4.1 (to avoid paying twice for the upgrade), so I didn't purchase the 4.0 upgrade (then USD 40), but now I see that 2.5 to 4.1 is USD 89. So, in the end, I could yesterday had purchased the USD 40 upgrade to 4.0, and then the USD 25 to 4.1, so I missed playing 4.0 and now I have to pay more frown ...

Is there an way around it or I'm OOL? Thank you.
I'm sorry, but it seems like you're out of luck in this case. Version 2.5 was made in 2009, version 2.6 came out in 2011. That we're offering a seven year-long upgrade period including the skipping of major version numbers is, I think, rather generous. At some point we have to draw a line. The last 10 years have seen constant investment on our part to make everything better, with considerable expense. Upgrade fees are at least a symbolic price to have PE players a skin in the game and to contribute to that effort, even if it could never even remotely cover the actual expense.

Now, if you want the items from the preorder bundle, I could fully understand that, and I'm willing to help out; you could order both the $53 bundle and the $89 upgrade, and then contact me (my forum name here (at) eSimGames.com). I would cancel the 4.0 to 4.1 license upgrade ticket, and we would refund $25 to your credit card account. That would amount to $117 in total, compared to $149 for a completely new purchase, still a substantial savings. A possible alternative are time-based licenses. At $39.50 for a year you could play Steel Beasts for two years straight and still have money left compared to the $89 upgrade option.
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Re: Steel Beasts Dynamic Terrain Will Come After New Terrain Engine
« Reply #399 on: June 28, 2019, 09:00:53 PM »
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4480465/re-news-about-version-4-1#Post4480465
He's completely right about lowering the selling price. But the high price (for a new purchase) is intended to act as a deterrent against impulse buyers, so it's here to stay, at the expense of community growth. :(
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No offence, but no major version upgrade, i.e. from 4.0 to 4.1 for US$53.00 seems too much. You must admit that your expenses were/are well paid by Steel Beasts Professional customers - by military professionals that are your main targeting group. Personal edition is just for general audience and not main scope of your business.
For the value of 4.1 upgrade we can buy full versions of other sim/games, e.g. IL-2 Tank Crew, Steel Fury, Panzer Elite, etc. etc.
Of course, that is just my personal opinion. IMHO, changing your marketing strategy lowering selling price of PE would significantly increase the quantity of sales leading to increased profit.
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Re: Steel Beasts Dynamic Terrain Will Come After New Terrain Engine
« Reply #400 on: June 29, 2019, 01:22:22 AM »
I saw this in Herr Ssnake's reply "But prices will go up.". 

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Re: Steel Beasts Dynamic Terrain Will Come After New Terrain Engine
« Reply #401 on: June 29, 2019, 01:56:58 AM »
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I think that for 4.0 users, asking for $25.- for three years of the team's really hard work is seriously underpriced. But we promised the new terrain engine for version 4.0 and it took us three years longer, so I at least honor that promise with the implicit $15.- discount.







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Re: Steel Beasts Dynamic Terrain Will Come After New Terrain Engine
« Reply #402 on: June 29, 2019, 02:18:24 AM »
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4480484/re-news-about-version-4-1#Post4480484
I'm having more than a little difficulty believing that the expenses haven't been paid by army customers, given how much of their revenue comes from those customers. Back in 2006, it was $18,000 for a 10 PC license for Steel Beasts Pro, or $1,800 per PC.
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Most of the $53.- are the costs of shipping, handling, printing the manual, and having the USB stick manufactured. As a 4.0 license owner you may simply go for the "pure download" option for $25.-

4.1 is a major upgrade from a functional point of view. The version number after the decimal point is irrelevant. When we released SB Pro PE, the first version was 2.251, the first major upgrade was then 2.419, followed by 2.538, 2.640, etc.; at the end of the day, these are nothing but sequential version number incremented by each compiler run. There is nothing else to it.

As to whether the expenses have been paid for by army customers - this is only partially true, and even then it's a logical fallacy to accept any price other than zero if one would take the argument seriously. In which case you could just as well argue that no company should make a single cent of profit as soon as all the expenses have been covered. Which is a serious economic theory, called Socialism. Measured by the amount of profit (less the amount of customer support cases) that it generates, the Personal Edition receives a disproportionately large fraction of our development time. We still do it because the Personal Edition is a good yardstick to juge ease of use/accessibility, and PE users are quicker and more vocal to report bugs.


All that being said, nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything. Here's our offer. I think it's very much worth it. But value is a highly subjective thing that depends on personal preferences and the general situation. A glass of water may be worth thousands if you're lost in the desert, or worth nothing if you're caught in a rainstorm. I think that for 4.0 users, asking for $25.- for three years of the team's really hard work is seriously underpriced. But we promised the new terrain engine for version 4.0 and it took us three years longer, so I at least honor that promise with the implicit $15.- discount.

https://forum.steelbeasts.org/forum/thread/8656-steel-beasts-pro-pe-version-4-1-vorbestellen/?postID=59284#post59284
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Only as long as absolutely necessary (that is, so that we have a good base to estimate how many manuals we should print, how many USB sticks are to be made). It is quite possible that the pre-order phase already ends one week before the start of shipping (ie at most two weeks).
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Re: Steel Beasts Dynamic Terrain Will Come After New Terrain Engine
« Reply #403 on: June 29, 2019, 09:07:27 AM »
License updated to 4.1  :howdyfor a price of a Bottle of good Russian Standard Vodka  >:(

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Re: Steel Beasts Dynamic Terrain Will Come After New Terrain Engine
« Reply #404 on: June 29, 2019, 10:30:58 AM »
In Russia from 6$ per 0.5 liters.  Four bottles per license.

 

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