Acrobatic Flight

[Red2112]

Howdy everyone!

Since I have been at this for the past two years,  I thought maybe some of you would like to give it a try.  Once you try it, you might get hooked to it 

Iam willing to show the ropes to anyone willing to try, but I must advise that this modality is based on ALOT of training (hours) both off-line and online.  Online as a team.  A team can be a 3 ship formation, or 7 ship formation.  It can be more the 7 ships but thats for more experts.  Bear in mind that the further your position is from the leader the harder it is to maintain formation! See "Red Arrows" acrobatic team.  All this is done in DCS.

So who knows, maybe we can form the DOW acrobatic team and join VAT in there shows.

I donīt have much footage as it was supposed to be "top secret"  but hereīs a taste...

 

Planes that I recomend for this...

- F-86
- C101
- L-39 (I donīt have this one but would buy it if I have to)
- Su25T (disadvantage is the cabin view full of Iron, but can be done and have done it)

Let me know what you think.

Kind regards,

Red

[Longknife]

This would be fun & would be happy to give it a try. I have done this sort of thing in the past & your internet connection is king. Latency is a killer!

I dont have the C101 but have been looking for an excuse to buy it.

[Asid]

Formation/acrobatic flight in any flightsim is very difficult to get right. There are Vu's out there dedicated to this aspect of the hobby. They put in many hours of practice.

Requires dedication and skill.

[Red2112]

Yeap, I agree with both, but in a way itīs a game changer.  Not saying to go full throttle on it as for what you say Asid it demands alot of time, but itīs fun to give it a go once in a while.  Like I said, a change to have fun.

Yes there are VUīs that are dedicated to this, tell me about it    The problem with most of them is the "elite" atitude behind them, like there liveīs depend on it.  I personaly am burnt with these atitudes.  You lose the fun in it and even supposed friends with it.  Itīs like a football team, either your on top or you get kicked out.  I prefer frendship over anything like this, but thatīs just me.

Regarding latency, there are solutions like lowering graphics (HDR, Bloom, Water) Have done flights with up to 12 ships and no problem, but yes you can drop out of a MP flight easy sometimes, but hey thatīs how it goes in most sim MP games.

[Asid]

Yes there are VUīs that are dedicated to this, tell me about it    The problem with most of them is the "elite" atitude behind them, like there liveīs depend on it.  I personaly am burnt with these atitudes.  You lose the fun in it and even supposed friends with it.  Itīs like a football team, either your on top or you get kicked out.  I prefer frendship over anything like this, but thatīs just me.

This is why we have our group. Enjoyment,friendship and fun is our priority.

[Lusik]

I'm in if you'd like to practice formation flying.


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[Lumituisku]

Would mig 21 Be any good for this?

[Red2112]

Would mig 21 Be any good for this?

Hmmm, donīt own the fishbed but any ship can be good for acrobatics.  Maybe the F-15 is the only one thatīs itīs not so good beacuse of itīs fly-by-wire.  Since it auto-corrects itīs flight dynamics itīs a bit difficult to do, but Itīs been done and have done it but itīs not the appropiate ship for this as a begginer in my opinion.

If you donīt have any of the above ships, the Su25T which comes with DCS is good enough.  When I started in my old VU, we all started with the Su25T so no one would have to buy a new plane if they didnīt like it.  The only issue with the Su25T is itīs cabin view, you have very heavy cross-beams inside the cabin that osbtruct your general view.

The only thing with flying new ships in acrobatics is establishing reference points so you know youīr in position.  Each position has itīs reference point to the leader.

If you observe my video above you will notice that Iam using a reference point.  We called it "light to helmet", you can notice that the view from my cabin is constantly trying to have the wing tip light over the helmet of the leader. You have a small area to correct your flight (you can tell by some small corrections in input) but with this reference I know Iam in position in respect to my leader.

So every plane has itīs reference points and every position has a reference to his leader and the ships around him.  The main reference is always your leader, thatīs why he is the leader 

Very Important, make sure you have the air-brake mapped to youīr HOTAS, as you will be using it alot as a begginer!

I wil be on TS this afternoon about 16:00ish for anything you want to do or talk about.

On this video Iam teaching my girlfriend how to fly. Itīs here first ever flight  But you can see what I mean regarding the Su25T cabin view...

 

Lucky enough Iam using TrackIR 

[Longknife]

Would mig 21 Be any good for this?

I think the Mig21 would work but be less than ideal for acrobatics. The delta wing is inherently unstable. Formation flying sure it would be fine. Its stable enough at speed but at high AoA it gets a little wonky.

[Lumituisku]

How about Hawk?

[Lusik]

I can buy an aircraft if needed. I've been thinking about L-39. I'm not convinced about Hawk. I've heard that its flight model is good but I think it's still not a full precision flight model. I would like to buy it when it's fully ready.